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Post by bcvegas45 on Jan 30, 2009 20:20:41 GMT 1
I know what your thinking....."as if the economic problems we have now aren't bad enough, this guy wants to talk about debt we owe from past lives! Call the lawyer; see if we can file for bankruptcy."
Well, it's not quite that bad. At least I don't think it is, for those that are on this website, at lease. For most people, karmic debt means learning the lessons we came here to learn, in this life. True, for some, the lessons may have to do with having respect for life because they didn't show respect for human life, in a past life or sometimes, many lives. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, all of us or at least most of us, are repaying debts for not treating others with the kindness we should have, for whatever reason.
I thought I'd explain a little about karmic debt, in general, in this thread. As with many things, a little knowledge can shine a light on a subject & thereby dispel the dark shadows & bring a new understanding to the way the Universe functions.
As I was growing up, I was troubled by a few things. I was bother by the horrors Of WWII, the monsters that mauled & murdered children, the infants dying of what is now call SIDS. I was troubled because I had been taught about this loving God that ran the Universe. How could a loving God allow things like this to happen; especially to innocent children. This is where I began, with questions. Questions always have to come first before there can be answers.
Before I go into any more detail, are there any questions?
Is anyone interested?
Is this me, repaying debt for not paying attention to others?
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Post by admin on Jan 30, 2009 22:39:23 GMT 1
not sure about this one. in 2002 - 2003 i went through a terrible time, losing my hubby, step-dad and first grandson all within a few months and became very ill for a while as a result. if i think of this as karmic debt for deeds in a previous life, then you have to ask what did my son do in previous lives to lose his dad, grandad and son within such a short period? what did my daughter do to lose her dad at such a young age, then her grandad and nephew so quickly after? what did hubby do, to deserve dying when only in his 40's? what did my grandson do to be born so poorly, and live for only 3 years? we cant all have been so bad in our previous lives, can we? i do however, believe in karma in this life, as in "what goes around comes around" and that those who deliberately set out to hurt others usually get their come uppance at some time in the future. will be interesting to see what other people's opinions are on this one  mj xx |
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Post by bcvegas45 on Feb 1, 2009 4:47:58 GMT 1
I am sorry that you took what I said about karmic debt as applying to everything that happens to us, in this life. I did not mean it to be so all encompassing.
I too, believe in karma in this life & instant karma. That type of payback is usually easy to see, when it occurs. What usually happens to us is a learning experience. I would never want to trivialize your experiences as a learning experience because I too have a similar story. Between 2005 & 2007 I lost my wife's best friend, my wife's mother-in-law, my wife, & my father. All were very close to me/us. You have my sincere condolences for your losses. I will try to make myself more precise in my explaination next time. But for now, I would like to leave you with this poem:
Reason, Season and Lifetime
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People always come into your life for a reason, a season, or a lifetime.
When you figure out which it is, you know exactly what to do.
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When someone is in your life for a REASON,
it is usually to meet a need you have expressed outwardly or inwardly.
They have come to assist you through a difficulty,
or to provide you with guidance and support,
to aid you physically, emotionally, or even spiritually.
They may seem like a godsend to you, and they are.
They are there for the reason you need them to be.
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Then, without any wrong doing on your part or at an inconvenient time,
this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end.
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Sometimes they die. Sometimes they just walk away.
Sometimes they act up or out and force you to take a stand.
What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled; their work is done.
The prayer you sent up has been answered and it is now time to move on.
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When people come into your life for a SEASON,
it is because your turn has come to share, grow, or learn.
They may bring you an experience of peace or make you laugh.
They may teach you something you have never done.
They usually give you an unbelievable amount of joy.
Believe it! It is real! But, only for a season.
And like Spring turns to Summer and Summer to Fall,
the season eventually ends.
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LIFETIME relationships teach you lifetime lessons;
those things you must build upon in order to have a solid emotional foundation.
Your job is to accept the lesson, love the person/people (anyway);
and put what you have learned to use in all other relationships and areas in your life.
It is said that love is blind but friendship is clairvoyant.
Thank you for being part of my life.
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Post by admin on Feb 3, 2009 20:29:21 GMT 1
thanks ben, for clearing that up, and for the poem too mj xx |
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Post by maggiemay on Feb 6, 2009 12:03:38 GMT 1
I'm very interested in Karmic debt.
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Post by bcvegas45 on Feb 8, 2009 0:57:56 GMT 1
Let me give a couple of examples of how it works.
You are a soldier on the battle field. In crossing the area, you come across an enemy soldier in a ditch, alive but unable to defend himself. You shoot him, stab him, kill him. You have incurred a debt because you took his life, needlessly.
To repay this debt, the only thing that might be required of you would be to be the parent of the soldiers new body. thereby, returning his life. This might also explain why some parents can bring a child into this world & then walk away. They have no connection to the child except for giving it life & repaying their debt.
The next example is disturbing for me. The monster & the child.
The way it is explained is that the monster has decided to choose the wanton disregard for the sanctity of life, human or otherwise. The child has the soul of someone that has shown no regard for life & inflicted pain & suffering over many lifetimes. The monster has "freewill" to choose not to incur this debt & the child's soul needs to understand the pain & suffering they inflicted in order to change. Very troubling.
The example that is sad but reassuring is SIDS.
After many lifetime of dieing sudden &/or painful deaths, the soul is allowed to experience a peaceful passing. What is more peaceful than to be born, loved, & quietly pass before any debt could be incurred. Very soothing for the soul.
This is not a end all description of Karmic debt, just a glimpse into how it functions.
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Post by admin on Feb 8, 2009 1:07:57 GMT 1
oh ben
i lost a great nephew to SIDS several years ago, it was devasatating for my sister, her daughter (baby's mum) and her family. i dont think anyone ever gets over such a loss.
i cannot go with your way of thinking here - no way.
mj
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Post by twilightbreeze on Mar 11, 2009 22:08:47 GMT 1
I love that poem i have it on my Bebo I'm finding this an interesting thread, i believe in Karma but not in the reincarnation way as seems to be the general idea here, you would need to believe we had a past life to be paying a dept from it which i don't, however my belief in Karma is more a Karma of what you sow is what you reap type of thing, or as Mary said what goes around, i think it is possible you will get back more then what you send out and if you do bad then you risk paying for it big time in this life or by God when you die, i don't believe that all bad things happening to folks is a result of a Karma though because there is evil anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,i do not hold the belief that a child born with a deformity for example did a bad deed in a previous life or the parents did. Great topic |
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Post by bcvegas45 on Mar 12, 2009 5:29:30 GMT 1
Instant Karma works. It is usually interesting to watch, that is, if it's happening to someone else. That is because it's usually the bad that we see coming back to them. No one seems to look at the good when it comes, the bad is more obvious.
There is nothing bad or evil in Karma. Remember the physics law...For every action there is an equal & opposite reaction. That is Karma. It works just that way.
Your example of the deformed child, Twilightbreeze, is a good example of the myth & wrong thinking that has been handed down over the years. The more likely reason that the child was born with a deformity would be that the soul/spirit in the child needed to learn how to overcome great physical limitations. Helen Keller is a great example; being born deaf, dumb, & blind. She achieved fame & recognition most people only dream of.
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Post by twilightbreeze on Mar 14, 2009 20:58:58 GMT 1
I put my hands up and say it is a subject i am not in great knowledge of, the example i gave was the sort of message it looked to be what you were advocating with your monster and child analogy.
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Post by bcvegas45 on Mar 15, 2009 18:28:59 GMT 1
There is no need to fret. Karma is an idea, a concept we have devised to explain how things work. You've said that you don't believe in reincarnation, so the example mentioned shouldn't be a problem because it would only come into play if the soul lived thru several lives.
It is not necessary to believe in everything. You can only believe in stages. Flying to the Moon was the science fiction of the 50's.
To ask a man in the 1800's to understand the idea of a Bic lighter might be possible. To ask a man a few thousand years ago the same thing, you would be talking magic to him.
It is only necessary for you to live an honest, compassionate life. Caring for & only wanting the best for others, whether you think they deserve it or not, will reap you rewards in this life & the next, even if you never attach a name to it.
In my years of studying metaphysics I have come across many different explanations for the same concept. Some sounded possible, others seemed ridiculous. I chose the explanation that seemed the most probable or I kept looking. There are explanations I am still looking for & I am sure that there are a few that I have now that will change down the line.
Enlightenment Is when the light goes on & you see or understand something that was a mystery before.
Who knows.....you might have it right & everyone else has it wrong.
One of my favorite jokes asks:
Why do you always find what you are looking for, in the last place you look.
Because when you find it.....you stop looking.
Always keep looking!
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Post by admin on Mar 15, 2009 20:01:14 GMT 1
i am finding this interesting reading, but i will keep out of this discussion as i find parts of it very disturbing and simply cant agree with a lot of it. everyone is entitled to their opinion, though, so i will carry on watching the debate from afar mj xx |
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Post by twilightbreeze on Mar 19, 2009 19:06:07 GMT 1
It's not a debate Mary,,,,,,,,,,,,, i do not know enough about the subject at hand to put up a debate LOL, i am merely trying to explore the beliefs put forward here as to try and grow in understanding nothing more.
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Post by admin on Mar 19, 2009 19:44:55 GMT 1
debate = discussion ;D
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Post by bob on Mar 19, 2009 19:53:51 GMT 1
twilightbreeze, the word "debate" in the oxford dictionary means, formal discussion, hold a debate about, consider.
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